fuer Koenner und
+ Street Experience
Vierleiner fuer Indoor- und Outdooreinsatz.
Der SUBVISION kann fliegerisch alles, was auch sein großer Bruder
Propellerspins, horizontale und vertikale Sideslips, das Fliegen
Upside-Down: Der SUBVISION setzt dem geuebten 4-Leiner Piloten durch
sein exaktes Flugverhalten keine Grenzen.
Der SUBVISION ist im Gegensatz zum Vision nicht mit einer Gaze-Leitkante
ausgeruestet - nicht nur, um Gewicht zu sparen, sondern auch, weil
die durch den Gazestreifen verhinderte turbulente Abstroemung erst
bei hoeheren Windgeschwindigkeiten auftritt.
Indoor kann der SUBVISION sowohl mit als auch ohne Waage geflogen
werden, jedoch wird die Serie ausschließlich mit montierter Waage
nicht in produktion !
||Indoor bis 3 Bft.
||0,1 - 20 kmh
||25 - 45 daN
"Subvision - Dieser Testdrachen hat mit Abstand die laengste
Zeit in unseren Taschen verbracht, bis er hier zur Vorstellung kommt.
Das liegt mit daran, dass ich persoenlich mit diesem Modell
nie richtig warm geworden bin. Zum einen ist er mit seinem leichten
Tuch fuer wenig Wind gedacht, zum anderen setzt er mit seiner
harten Vortrimmung der Waage und dem gut durchgespannten Segel die
Manoever richtig zackig um.
Damit zaehlt er sicher zu den Koennerdrachen fuer geschickte
Haende. Großer Vorteil des Subvision ist der moegliche
Einsatz bei ganz leichtem Wind und auch Indoor, wobei er alles kann,
was der große Vision beherrscht. Die Waage kann Indoor auch
demontiert und der Kite direkt an den Flugschueren geflogen
werden. Da auch dieses Modell mit neuem Design kommen wird, sollten
sich Liebhaber schnell noch bei ihrem Haendler einen klassischen
Subvision sichern. "
Skill Level: Expert and Master
Qualities: Ideal for Freestyle
Advice: If you are a freestyler then
it is surely a kite to try
Conclusion: Technical kite which
performs tricks in any part of the wind window, ideal for fliers
who love freestyle
The SUBVISION is an ideal quad-line freestyler. It is a fast
kite and able to do tight spins and rapid direction changes. Performs
axels, multiple axels and snap stall without difficulty and has
a good belly landing. It is not suitable for precision, but at the
same time has a good forward and sideways control with leading edge
upwards, a little more difficult with leading edge downwards. As
its shape is a mixture between a rev and a delta it tends to fly
best in a forward direction.
Tested by Guido Maiocchi
David B. GB
you can see a picture of the subvision on my website
(the zero wind quad page)
Gleaned from the GWTW Forums (again, thanks to David Barnby):
As soon as they arrived i built them up but they have been in the
bag without attention until yesterday when i had a couple of hours,
sunshine and extremely low wind.
for those of you that haven't seen the kite it is arrow (delta)
shaped with the point (nose) of the kite ahead of left and right
panels. assembly of the sub means unwrapping the sail which is made
of what looks like ventex sewn to german build standards and establishing
where the uprights (the lower end of which are permantly attached
to the sail) connect with the leading edge. there are 2 conectors
on the le's, the outer is for the upright and the inner is for a
bracing rod that comes from the middle of one leading edge thru
a centre t and across to the other leading edge. all the rods are
solid 4mm carbon.
as i said, it was low wind, i had 35ft lines and extended handles
on my 1.5sul and hooked them straight over to the sub. the sub has
the same bridling arrangements as a rev. first take off was over
braked, the kite went flat, 3d and although looking sweet, i couldn't
do anything with it. i could find no combo sweet spot playing with
the pigtails on the handles so i switched to revII handles with
my pigtails set so that effectively the break was on 2inches
now i had some control. in the 1mph available the kite behaves truly
as a cross between a 2 line delta and a rev. it is possible to take
off, stall by pushing sharply forward and then doing a snap to get
the kite to float around. it also exhibited great reverse flight
ability, in fact it felt nore stable than forward and with its delta
shaped le, i was doing spin turn take offs and tip to tip groundwork
every now an then the wind would pick up a little and there would
be some drive available. now we talking great fun, this is a smaller
kite so precision is probably not going to be easy but i was having
a lot of fun hovering at each angle and sliding it up and down and
being small it is fast like a revII but at much lower wind levels
i rechecked the ksp website (for those of you looking, check out
the thunderbird, if chilese dosen't want one i'll be amazed - i've
emailed them already john) and in fact, they say this kite is intended
for indoor / low wind use so next time out i will try some 10 or
15ft lines in zero wind, but i am also going to try it again as
above in about 4mph if i get a chance.
also, this is the sub, they also have a full sized vision listed,
more on this when it arrives
The subvision is really designed for low wind or even indoor so
it is not really a compare with a revII. i have had a lot of fun
with it in 5-6mph but it makes sense at this strength to get the
full vision or a 1.5 out.
the obvious difference is that the vis family have noses from their
delta shape so upside down launches are very different to revs,
once a couple of feet off the ground they are very stable in reverse
and it really is easier to do dual line things with these kites,
laying it flat is no problem and most of my limited portfolio works
too - it just looks so cool
I just got back from my village flying field. We had NO wind this
morning. that means not even leaves rustling in the trees. I thought
of the Mauler post asking re subvision being a low wind kite and
decided to test it alongside an indoor rev.
If you check my attached site on the quad zero wind page you can
see the pics my ten year old son took. The point of the pics is
you can see there is no wind - alex is holding the indoor rev in
the bottom pic and it isn't even moving (this kite is like a huge
sheet of paper - alex could never hold it like that even in a whisper)
and also if you know your revs, if there was any wind the indoor
rev would be completely distorted in flight.
So after having a bit of fun with the IR i hooked the lines on to
the subvision. This line set is a bit special, it is LPG Microline
4X50ft,#10lb and i was using indoor carbon rev handles. The subvision
needed 2" less brake on the lines than the IR.
As you can see, the subvision flys wonderfully. The key differences
at this level for me are that the sub is much easier to re-launch
from flat to the ground positions, a sharp reverse motion with one
handle effectively spins the kite on the ground and one part of
it always comes high enough to bring the rest into the air - this
seems to be because the construction of the kite keeps the shape
unlike the rev which tends to fold rather than stay rigid. on the
negative side the sub dosen't have quite the sail area of the IR
so when laid out to maximise surface area it takes more to generate
Andrew, very often, indoor kites are built smaller to keep weight
down and maintain shape, it is always a trade off between surface
area and weight i guess.
Smaller kites are inherently more difficult to do precise moves
with and the revII is an example. In reasonable winds, a small move
with a revII at the handles will generate a lot of action at the
kite end, with a revI you can park that big bus out there and he
ain't moving unless you send him a big signal - this translates
to less oversteer when you are trying to slot into the right position
Finally, the sub would be a good partner to a revII because then
you would have a low and high wind quad. i must emphasise though,
these kites are not easy to fly, in fact any zero wind activity
requires developing skill. Just buying a light kite dosen't mean
you can continue flying when the wind is gone, you have to learn
how to do it. a couple of years ago the pics on my website would
have not been possible for me unless i had a friend standing on
a ladder or hanging from the village church spire holding the kite
in the air.
Lastly, yes i do have the vision and subvision, my post yesterday
related to the vision and i would equate the wind speed for this
kite to a 1.5, exp, or shockwave.